Root Cause Solutions For You

Optimizing Wellness: Insights from Blood Chemistry and Diet

• Fabiola Reyes, BCHHP - Root Cause Expert, Cert. AK, CellCore & Nutrition Response Testing® and Quantum Nutrition Testing Practitioner • Season 2 • Episode 8

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Unlock the secrets to holistic health with Sara Dragman, MSACN, ACT
Holistic Nutritionist and Natural Health Practitioner!

She is a dedicated holistic practitioner whose own battle with Hashimoto's disease transformed her approach to wellness. From her initial frustration with traditional medicine to the pivotal discovery of muscle response testing, Sara's journey is a testament to the power of functional medicine. You'll learn how comprehensive blood chemistry analysis can reveal hidden health issues, offering more precise insights for treatment. Sara shares how her personal experience fueled her passion, leading her to establish her own clinic and help others achieve optimal health.

Explore the critical connection between blood chemistry and thyroid health as Sarah delves into the specifics of a comprehensive thyroid panel and the impacts of diet on thyroid function. She unpacks the benefits of professional-grade supplements and personalized health protocols, emphasizing the importance of addressing both emotional and physical well-being. From walking to stretching, Sarah highlights practical steps to support your holistic health journey. This episode is packed with valuable insights, whether you're dealing with thyroid issues or simply aiming to enhance your overall wellness.

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Speaker 1:

Hi everyone. My name is Fabiola. Thank you so much for coming back to another episode of RootCast Solutions for you, and today I am delighted to have a very special guest. She is a holistic practitioner. Her name is Sarah Drachman and she has a master's in applied clinical nutrition. She is also a functional blood chemistry specialist and an advanced muscle testing practitioner. Thank you so much, sarah, for being here with us today. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, tell us a little bit about yourself. So I own my own clinic and I've actually been a practitioner for almost 10 years.

Speaker 1:

But it all started when I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in the early part of 2015. And this was after my daughter was two years. Hashimoto's in the early part of 2015. And this was after my daughter was two years old and I just wasn't feeling well. I was gaining weight like crazy. I was sleeping all the time, so my daughter would like line toys around me because mom was taking a nap. So that was her way of keeping her close to me and I knew that was not right. So I went to Western Medicine doctor to figure out what was going on. That's all I knew. And she comes back and she's you got Hashimoto's, I thought I'd had some kind of weird, crazy disease which it is but I had never heard of it before.

Speaker 1:

And so I started doing some research on it and figuring out like you can have all kinds of deficiencies with it. So I would take things that I wanted her to check on my blood work and she would pull those and I'd be deficient in most of that. So I would take a supplement for it. And I had a nice lineup on my counter of all the things I had to take just to make me function better. And she put me on medication. It was a more of a natural one for thyroid. It was a more of a natural one for thyroid.

Speaker 1:

And then about six months later, I found a. I went to a mom's conference and I found a practitioner who was doing something a little weird. It was called muscle response testing, and so I was like I'll sign up, see if it's going to help me any, because I hadn't felt any better doing what I was doing plus the medication. And I got in to see her and I started feeling better, probably within about a month, and I was like this is a little. All she did was just give me a couple more supplements that I was already not taking, and by the end of that year so many light bulbs switched on. One, my insurance wasn't going to pay for the prescription medication anymore, for whatever reason. Two, I was feeling much better in three months than I had in nine months of being on medication. And then, three, my old light bulb from when I was in kindergarten switched back on and it was like this is how you're going to help people.

Speaker 1:

I originally wanted to be a nurse to help people feel better and all that kind of stuff Not naturally, because I didn't know about it. So that light bulb switched back on and I asked my practitioner what do I need to do this? I want to do this for the rest of my life. And so she helped guide me and at 34, no, a little younger, 32 maybe I went back to school and I got my master's degree in applied clinical nutrition so I could be more on the nutrition side of everything that I do. And from there it's just expanded and now I own my own clinic, my husband's, my partner in crime, and so we see patients and getting them feel better in all kinds of ways and helped all kinds of things. So that's where my story started.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that's very powerful, and I think most of us are in search for something and then we find something that helps us feel better, and then we're like now we want to do this for the rest of our life. So I can totally relate to that. So, something that caught my attention and, like you, are a blood chemistry specialist I think that's fascinating. I think that there's so much that we can understand, use blood chemistry as a guiding tool At least that's the way I use it right? What? Where do we need to look for? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Because I think there's so much misconception in regards to what maybe not misconception, but the unfortunate situation where you get your labs done and unfortunately, most of the times it's not a full panel, right, not everything that we all need to be checked for and then we have a list of symptoms, but then our labs they all show as normal because there's nothing that it's flagging from a, I guess, maybe conventional method, but then we just don't feel good. So can you tell us a little bit about that side of your practice? Certainly so.

Speaker 1:

The blood chemistry started back when I was diagnosed because I was like what am I deficient in? But in the ranges that you get from the lab or the doctor they're so it looks like they're so broad. And so a lot of times patients bring them in and they're like here you go. My doctor said everything's normal, but I don't feel good. I feel like poop, like tired all the time, gaining weight, fatiguing, all of that. And so I look at it from the functional medicine standpoint. So it takes your broad range of lab work. So finding your favorite restaurant from California to New York, that's huge. Functional medicine brings it down. And what is your favorite restaurant in Oklahoma? Or, even further, what is your favorite restaurant in Midwest City? And it just breaks it down a lot smaller.

Speaker 1:

So then when I give that report, I've plugged it into a spreadsheet and everything I give it to people and it's got lots of yellow. They're like oh my God, I knew something was wrong with me, but I didn't know it was this bad? No, like it's not bad, it's just a lot of markers are pointing to different things. So yesterday I just had a lady bring her lab work in and I was like look, we've got to get you to detox better. Your liver's messed up, your kidney's messed up, your adrenals are messed up, your gut's messed up, like we just have to get you to like move toxins.

Speaker 1:

But she's sore, she's inflamed, her joints hurt, she's tired, she's gaining weight. She doesn't know why. She's been to multiple doctors and they're like we don't know what's wrong with you, try this drug and it's not working. Or try this drug and it's not working, or try this drug and it's not working. And then she goes to another doctor and it's the same case scenario and I'm sure you probably hear about it too, that people just are not getting the results that they want to With blood work. They don't pull the full panel. So I get a little frustrated because I'm like I could say this, but I don't have the full panel to tell you it's this. And they were like, okay, what do I need to get? And I'm going to go tell my doctor I need that. And they do or they don't, depending on the doctor. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1:

And it's also knowing how to communicate with the doctors right, because I do feel like sometimes, if we, as patients, we go to our appointment and we're like, hey, this is my list, this is what's going on. What blood work can you run for me? Can we run? You brought weight. Like someone is gaining weight unexplicably, like why is that happening? We check for fasting glucose and that's good, but we almost never check for hemoglobin A1C or even like fasting insulin. We never check for those different things to really get, like you said, a complete picture of what's going on. So I do find that sometimes doing like a one-on-one coaching with the client before they go and see the doctors Okay, these are your symptoms, because I think a lot of it and I don't know, could be insurance driven.

Speaker 1:

I hear that a lot with insurance because I have there's a couple of doctors that know who I am and stuff like that. And of course my patients will take my list and stuff. They're like insurance is not going to pay for this one, they're not going to pay for this one and they're not going to pay for this one. And I tell the patients I said probably insurance is not going to pay it for them. Other times it's been the doctor just doesn't know what it is, so they're not even going to order it. And I'm just I'm blown away because the patient brings a marker in and the doctor's like I don't know what that is. So I'm not going to pull it.

Speaker 1:

It's both ends of the doctor and the insurance, and insurance has no right to govern how you do your health. It's true, their job is not to pay right, they're perfectly comfortable and for you to pay your monthly bill to the insurance and never have to use it, and you don't get that money back, and hardly any insurance is rolled over to the next year. You use it or you lose it. Yeah, so that's important. Sometimes I tell people find out how much, because when the insurance is not going to cover it, but depending on the lab like sometimes I had panels, like for thyroid, 54 bucks, like that means probably you're not drinking Starbucks every single day this coming week. Yeah, we're paying for thyroid panels, but with you paying. Most people are like, yeah, because they want to feel better. So I always was like, how do we find the loopholes within our unfortunate sick care system Because unfortunately it's not health care and to be able to get the information that we need so that we can then guide clients better. Not only that, you knowing your own body, knowing your own chemistry and how you're reacting to different stressors.

Speaker 1:

So let's dive into thyroid, because you were mentioning your thyroid part of your life and I am always fascinated about the thyroid. I think that it's one of the most prescribed medications. And it's really not a medication. Hormone replacement is a hormone therapy and, like you and your kings, how many people are already doing what they think they need to be doing and not feeling? Well, tell us what you're.

Speaker 1:

How do you dive into helping and supporting someone's thyroid function? So I specialize in muscle testing. So I do. I work with the whole body as a whole. But over the years I've learned to gauge, like, what symptoms are and what areas are what organ and we see if that's an area that needs to be supported or if we need to wait for the future for that to be supported as well. But when I'm looking at blood work for people who come in and they say that they've had Noshimoto's or they have hypothyroid a lot of time, the doctor will tell them that and I'm like the doctor only pulled your teeth there's a marker called TSH, so it's thyroid stimulating hormone. That hormone is what doctors use to read thyroid all the time. And technically that hormone because it's thyroid stimulating it actually comes from the pituitary. So I consider the pituitary as the thyroid's boss. So the boss is either functioning too much or not functioning enough and that input is going down to the thyroid. So it's like getting the wrong information from your boss. And then your boss is like why aren't you doing your job? And that will create problems along the line.

Speaker 1:

Because thyroid produces a hormone. It produces two hormones one that produces a lot of and one that produces a little bit. So the little bit is called the T3. The lot of is the T4. But T4 is not usable in the body just yet. It has to go down into the liver, the gut and the kidneys to get converted to T3. T3 actually tells every cell in the body what to do, and so if you're not producing enough of those, not converting enough of those because of the other organs down the line, then your thyroid's going to struggle, your pituitary is going to struggle, or vice versa.

Speaker 1:

So I have to explain that to people. In that sense we use it in the sense of bosses. Thyroid is a boss of everybody else and pituitary is the boss of the thyroid. And you've got one up from pituitary. So is hypothalamus. But hypothalamus tells the pituitary, tells the thyroid, and then one pump, and we use that link all the time and I tell people I'm like your hormones are out of balance. It can be thyroid's fault, it could be adrenal's fault, pituitary hypothalamus, it could be everybody's fault, who knows? But with the muscle testing we can narrow it down and figure out who's at fault most and go from there.

Speaker 1:

And then we continue to get blood work. I usually tell patients get it every three to four months. Your cells do some cleanup, they do some regenerating every 90 to 120 days. You want some old cells out of there, you want some good cells back in there to really see a good picture. Doing it monthly it can and it can't help. It depends. I feel like doing it every three to four months works a lot better just to get all the cleanup moving along, especially if we're putting on a supplement, routine changing diet, all of that A big part of the diet too. Clearing for thyroid is cutting out the gluten and the wheat. That's a huge thing, and then sugar is an inflammatory thing to the body in general. So we're going to give you the best option. We want to cut those two things out primarily and then we can work on food from there too. Yeah, well, that's very so.

Speaker 1:

What would you consider to be a complete thyroid panel? Why should people say, hey, please run this panel to their doctors, certainly TSH. And then you have a couple of things in the T4 range. So you have free T4, total T4. And then you've got on the T3 range. You have total T3, free T3, and reverse T3. And then, if you want to get into the autoimmune side of thyroid, you have your tpo and then your thyroid antiglobulin. So tgab is what I call. That one. You've got at least 10 markers or so on your thyroid. So don't let your doctor tell you they can't pull a full thyroid panel because there's a, there is, does exist. Right, it does exist. And further down too, if you wanted to go even further, on the CBC, there's also another marker in the CBC that tells you how your thyroid is doing, into the lipid panel that can also tell you how your thyroid is doing too. So there's a couple other places that we can gauge how the thyroid is actually doing, functioning and working.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, do you find it that sometimes when you see you have blood work and you have a complete thyroid panel, that sometimes someone with the metabolic markers like glucose A1C, fasting insulin and the lipids, like cholesterol, triglycerides. How do you see a correlation between one another? If thyroid is not functioning right, then you see an elevation of lipids, and metabolic as well. Yeah, because blood sugar is high, it's an inflammatory marker. So when I see glucose being high and I don't have A1c or the fasting insulin, I just automatically think inflammation, infection, something's causing something. When I see a lipid panel being high, it's a liver thyroid combination. But there can be heavy metals or mold causing that too, because those are not a lot of things that technically the immune system fights it but doctors don't know how to work with. But we do see those either high or low on the liver and that can just tell us like there are some things going on with either the thyroid or the liver and we got to clean up diet and we got to clean up the seed oil and those kinds of things. I do see those being high with the thyroid as well. Yeah, that makes sense. Do you find that? Sometimes people?

Speaker 1:

Going back to Hashimoto's, we know that there's a specific protein in gluten that directly impacts, especially with people with Hashimoto's right and that autoimmune condition. But what's your opinion on dairy? Do you think dairy could also be impacting thyroid from an autoimmune perspective, negatively. Yes and no. I do like dairy, but I like raw dairy, so you're getting the good, beneficial bacteria in there. With a lot of foods too. You also have to look at the gut and if it's leaky, so it's got spaces in between where food are getting into the bloodstream, and that's where the autoimmune comes in play, because with wheat it's got a protein in there that's very similar to thyroid hormone and so the body attacks the wheat that's come through the gut lining and into the bloodstream and you're an invader. We don't want you. It attacks that, but then it starts seeing your thyroid hormone looks very similar to that and then it wants to attack that too and it's going to go all back up into your thyroid and so that's where the autoimmune side comes in.

Speaker 1:

Dairy is inflammatory. It can create extra mucus. It can just be inflammatory due to the pasteurization in the processed dairy that we typically use and the hormones and antibiotics and everything that are used to increase the milk production for those cows. So I usually tell people we do want to eliminate certain things at least for three months, see how we're the body's healing, what's going on, and then maybe we can add back in like raw dairy or organic dairy or cheeses, those kinds of things, or just keep it eliminated, depending on how the gut actually feels. Yeah, including dairy, depending on how the gut actually feels. Yeah, including dairy. Yeah, that's fascinating. And you were just, you were mentioning everything. You work with the whole body, because we can get tunnel vision, oh, just the thyroid or just the adrenals or just the liver, but everything you've described so far we can tipto toe on the body when, while the god and how everything is related and what organ are in charge of certain conversions and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:

So I love it, I do tell people no one gland or system is an island. You have to look at all together and that's why we stressing importance of a complete blood chemistry panel, because, because then we have the whole story. It's like almost reading a really good book and missing a few chapters and you're like what happened? Or when I feel once in a while I'm watching a really good TV show and then power goes off or our internet is slow and it's buffering, I'm like no, what's next? What's what's going on here? So I love it. I love the way that you, how you, incorporate in the blood chemistry and so how does that help your muscle testing? Have you seen a benefit of a combination of both like as far as guiding a case even better, cause you have both pictures? Yeah, so when, when it's like a new patient to me and I get their blood work too, I don't look at that right away because I do the muscle testing first and usually they're sending me the blood work for that, or I'll look at it after and then when I see them again, then I show them. I'm like, look, this is what I found, this is what your blood work said. We're actually going in combination with both of those.

Speaker 1:

Or like the patient yesterday who had all kinds of things blood work Her body. The blood work said she needed to support the body with immune support. It was a viral that was showing up for her on my markers, but I told her I was like we've got to get you to detox because your body really, as far as the muscle testing, didn't want to handle with immune right now. It just wanted to move junk out of the way. So I gave her a little bit of immune support and it also is a support that was actually going to support the organ anyway. So I like that it was a nice two for one in that sense, and I explained to her what we were doing and I said eventually we're going to get to this virus that shows up, but right now we've got to work on it and she was totally on board, she's. I'm not getting results anyway, so I might as well figure out something else to move it along.

Speaker 1:

If it's already an established patient and they bring in blood work for the fifth time or the first time, then sometimes I actually redirect the program of what we're doing for them already and gear towards what's showing up in blood work and that actually propels us further and gets us past the little hump that we might've been stuck in. And so both ends of it. It just depends on when I get blood work, but I love to get blood work because one I geek out over all of that stuff too. But I also can visually show patients this is what's happening, or your doctor didn't pull this, so go get them to pull this. If they're not going to do it, let me know, and this is how much my price is, and I tell them my price too, and they're like wish I would have known that five years ago, when I paid $500 out of pocket with insurance paying it. I'm like sorry, but now I know Next time, right, next time, yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:

So what would you say, based on the fibroid cases you worked with, liver cases you worked with because I'm sure you see all kinds of different health conditions coming through your doors what would you say are some of the most common root causes that tend to hinder someone's health and slow us down, tend to hinder someone's health and slows down. So some of the root causes. More lately, we've seen a lot more like Lyme and co-infections coming out of the little hidey hole it's been in for years. I've seen viruses hit and miss and I've seen a lot of parasites. So Lyme, co-infections and parasites are really a big root cause for a lot of people, and doctors don't either know how to treat it, don't want to treat it, or just are not knowledgeable about that and thinking about that too. The other things that we see a lot of are heavy metals and chemical, and that could be because the medications have all that stuff in there that people are on, or our food is just so depleted.

Speaker 1:

The body's just trying to grasp for something that might be similar to what it needs to function and we have to just support it with. I've got a whole smorgasbord of supplements is what I call it, but we use all kinds of companies. They're all professional grade, so it's Standard Process Salcor, systemic Formulas, energetics. Those are my big four and I have a couple other little companies with some things that I need usually and everybody's different, so I really don't have a protocol set for just thyroid or just liver or just gut. It's really just what they test for virtually or in person. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1:

But tell us about how do you work with clients virtually? Because, like I think most people are used to muscle testing and you go to the office and they push on the arm or the chiropractor sometimes to push on your leg or whatnot. But how do you, how have you incorporated virtual with your clients? With my virtual patients, I usually just discuss their case history with them. If they've got blood work sent over, we go over that too. But I do what's called quantum testing, so I can.

Speaker 1:

I use a little snap method. It either gives me a yes, which locks it into place, or it gives me a no, which makes it unlock or fall apart, and I'm just asking yes or no question or a number counting system like one, two, two, three or something like that. But that's usually what I do for patients and I either do that on the call or on the phone with, or we jump off if they don't really want to know what most of the stuff I do or anything like that. But because I'm usually quiet and just asking the questions, but I try to explain what I'm doing so it doesn't seem so weird. And if they ask me like, how does that work, I'm like how do? How can you send a phone to your mom over in New York and you're not close to each other, but she gets it in two seconds and the answer is usually, I don't know though it or I'm not quite sure, or something like that.

Speaker 1:

And it's just, it's a frequency, it's a vibration of the, it's an energy pattern that connects us all throughout the whole world. Um, which makes it really cool, because I don't know if you've ever seen like twins can always feel each other. They're certain type of twins. They can always know what the other one's thinking of, doing or something like that. So the same kind of communication. We can have communication. So with you being in another state, we can always like, just virtually test each other and figure out what's going on for you at certain points in time, which makes it nice too, because people can't always get up to the office or they got stuck in traffic or something like, and we just like, okay, cool, let's just jump on a call, figure it out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's maybe a lot more convenient for, yeah, certain people with lifestyles, they're busy or, if their kids know it in, because sometimes the hot ones, like weather or what if they're really sick, right, and they cannot come into the office, but they still need to be supported in some way to get better. Yeah, many different uses. No, I love it and that's so awesome. Let's see. So we've covered a little bit about your expertise with the blood chemistry. We talked a little bit about thyroid and the autoimmune condition, hashimoto's, and then we talked a little bit about muscle testing and virtual testing. So what else? What other cool things you do, sarah, that you like our listeners to know as far as, yeah, health or lifestyle, all that stuff.

Speaker 1:

So some other things that I like to do and I tell my patients. There's certain things I get to and it's basically the patient base too, but a lot of times is people like emotions are another big thing that we have. Emotional trauma, the physical stress that we go through, the emotional stress we something that affected us or things that we didn't think was an emotional stress or trauma that actually can be, and it just held out and it manifested into a physical issue or a physical illness or a deficiency in something. So those are things I do have to talk with my patients about their emotional side of things, and a lot of people don't want to talk about it, but we need to. There are nutritional supports that I use for that, but I do have a couple of practitioners and colleagues that I send people to for more of the emotional healing side of things so that we can get their nutritional and physical health a lot better too.

Speaker 1:

And then I also talk to patients about walking five to 10 minutes a day up and down a driveway or around the park, because physical activity, movement, just walking, is beneficial. And with my husband being a massage therapist, of course the muscles get tight and they get locked up and stretching is a very important thing too. So I'm telling my patients stretch this way to get your sciatic nerve to stop being so pokey and picky or abs or the foot or plantar fasciitis. It's a nutritional diet thing, but it's also it's a muscle tightness that actually starts up close to your knee and not at your foot. It's a muscle tightness that actually starts up close to your knee and not at your foot. Actually, getting surgery done on your foot for plantar fasciitis is not a good thing because you're still going to have it or it's going to hurt more or something like that.

Speaker 1:

So, talking with patients about that or removal of organs we don't need to remove our organs, we just need to figure out what's causing the problem. So those are some other things that I talk with my patients about and trying to get them to understand like what we've grown up and we know is not always the best case scenario and people do know that they have to move but they don't know how and just giving them the tiny little goal up and down the driveway five times. I get that movie. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I love it and I love the fact that you brought up the emotional piece. Sometimes I think we work with clients on ourselves Like we're stuck and I just could just write at a specific date or layer per se, and then what's holding it there. And you're right, as many times it's an emotional piece. And once we work on that, with whatever technique might be applicable to that person or real to that person, then I don't know the bodies the program seems to be working better, right, or suddenly supplements are really helping the system be better and then we get better report cards as far as like people's symptoms and stuff like that. So thank you for bringing that up.

Speaker 1:

I would not have thought about asking you about that and, like I said, a lot of people don't want to talk about it. Or when I'm listening to patients explain things, I'm like let's backtrack to that little bit that you just said and tell me more about that. Tell me what happened during that time. Or when patients, new patients, come in, they're said it all started three years ago. I'm like what happened three years ago, like what actually happened, and they have to actually think back to it and sometimes they remember part of it, sometimes they remember all of it. So sometimes we actually have to go through a couple questions to get the whole cool story of what happened and then make them really live it but almost relive it, so we can figure out, like if it was a depressive time. Maybe we need to give them more supplements that help with depression or mineral support or something like that. And there are certain supplements that handle both what I'm working on and the emotional aspect of things too. So that was always nice when I could ask the certain questions to patients to gauge what supplement I'm actually going to test on them, versus pulling my whole thing and figuring out later down. It was that one instead of first off with that. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Yeah and uh, yeah, and we have support for everything.

Speaker 1:

And what I love about muscle testing is that you know, before I knew anything about muscle testing either as a client or a practitioner. Uh, my husband would go to gnc or the vitamin shop or you know, come back with four or five bottles at a time and I'm like what, what is all this? And then, sadly, most of the time it's bad quality stuff. It's all synthetic, has artificial colors and all kinds of stuff, and then we just sit on the shelf for on the cover for like until beyond expiration date. But what I love about muscle testing is the precision of it, right, and you can really truly determine what your body needs, what someone's body needs to really maximize the benefit of what we are taking through the muscle testing. So that's why and then we don't have unnecessary vitamins or stuff on our covers anymore that I just sit there because what we are taking is exactly what we need Exactly.

Speaker 1:

And that's the beauty that helped turn me around, because I was taking all the supplements and then come to find out I actually needed I think I needed liver and gallbladder support to begin with instead of thyroid support, and I actually thought that are taking those than I did with the other things I took and I was like, oh, that makes more sense now. Yeah, yeah, I was happy you found makes more sense now. Yeah, yeah, I was happy you found a practitioner because look at you, it turned you into an amazing practitioner yourself and you have an amazing practice and helping a lot of people. So that was really awesome. So if someone wanted to work with you because you work with clients in person and virtually how would one go about finding your practice? So you can find me on Facebook and Instagram under Dragman Health. That's my handle. On TikTok, I think it's Sarah Dragman or S Dragman. I can't remember what it is, but I'm on TikTok too, or you can do. Dragmanhealthcom would be my website and any of those will reach us. I'll leave our contact information around those as well, and just simply shoot me an email or give us a call and we'll get you on a schedule. That's about what's going on. Awesome, I love it. So we'll make sure to add all that information to the show notes.

Speaker 1:

And before we leave, are there any last words of wisdom you'd like to leave our listeners with? Don't be afraid to fire your doctor. I love it. I tell patients that I'm like don't be afraid to fire it. Fire and find a new one. A couple of my maternity moms. They're like I don't really like my OB from the last issue I had and I'm like well, find another one. They're working for you. If you don't mesh, then find someone else.

Speaker 1:

And I tell patients too, like even for myself, like, if you don't like me, if you don't like what I have to do, find another person who does what I do and see if they work. It's you know it's a hit or miss situation sometimes, but if you don't jive with someone, you don't jive with them and it's pointless to spend your money there. Yeah, I love it. And it's that advocating for yourself and having what we know. Enough is enough, like I want to get better.

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And so, yeah, finding the right fit, because all the ones I did more press to that emotional aspect of things and you were just touching above so the unnecessary testing that a lot of doctors don't do, and they're just like I don't know why I did this test. But here's this result and I'm like what was it for? And they're like I don't know, I just had to do it and pay for it. It's like maybe you didn't have to if you had a doctor listening to your problems to guide you into the right type of testing. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, no, I love it. Thank you so much, and thank you so much for educating us about the wonderful things that you're doing and your approach to practice, and so we'll, like I said, we'll add all your information to the show notes and so people can reach out and start their health journey with you. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. It was fun. Yeah, you're welcome, all right, thank you so much, everyone for listening and until next time.